25 comments on “Cookie-Gate

  1. This comment will go down in history, I’m sure. But I actually agree with you 100%. We need an election focused on policy not on what Obama ate as a child or what Romney won’t eat as an adult. And I also agree that Romney needs to do more to connect with people. At this rate, only the super-rich will vote for him.

    I’m agreeing with Andre. The end is near.

  2. We know Williard’s policies. They’re the same as the Republican party’s policies for the most part. When we elect a Republican candidate for president, we elect the party–the war on women, unions, the poor, and undocumented workers, to name a few. In addition, with our vote, we get a bonus–Paul Ryan’s budget, the end of Medicare, an overhaul of Social Security, and more tax breaks for the uber-rich, with the poor and the middle class paying the freight.

    But that doesn’t tell us much about the man. The index to a person’s character is in the little things he or she does, not the big ones–as few voters seem put off by Williard’s flip-flop history, his cozying up to both sides of every major issue of our times.

    This, alone, should disqualify him in his bid to be president, since the American people will never know for sure if Williard is lying or telling the truth on issues of national security, the state of the economy, or any other major national issue.

    Williard has shown his true colors in cookie-gate and dog-gate. In both instances, we see Williard Mitt Romney, the CEO of Bain & Company, ruthless, unapologetic, and focused on the bottom line, jettisoning people with the same ease as he would a soiled napkin.

    Williard will have no more regard for the people of this country than for the family pet. He will dismiss the American people as readily as he dismissed cookies set before him as unfit for consumption, and beneath his more refined taste.

    Williard is out of touch, because he’s out of touch. He can’t feel your pain, because he can’t feel. He can’t be a compassionate Republican, because he’s not compassionate.

    Anyone who says that during dinner events we introduce humor, has no sense of humor, and at the end of his term as president, if he gets that far, we won’t be laughing either.

    • You’re joking, right? How many politicians can truly “relate” to the average person? If relatability is what makes a person presidential material, the last qualified president was Abe Lincoln. Romney’s a little off, I’ll admit (and certainly not my favorite). But Obama’s not exactly down to earth either. Trying to act hip, playing basketball, and filling out NCAA brackets doesn’t make him more or less in-touch than anybody else.

      • Hey, don’t knock the messenger, knock the source. Vote for Williard Mitt Romney come the fall, but don’t use the argument, “They all do it.”

        If you’d rather have a beer with Willard rather than Obama, that’s okay by me. If you’d rather hang out with Mitt than Obama, knock yourself out.

        But I stand by my claim:

        “Williard will have no more regard for the people of this country than for the family pet. He will dismiss the American people as readily as he dismissed cookies set before him as unfit for consumption, and beneath his more refined taste.”

        If that’s a problem of “relatability,” let’s call it that. MItt is who he is, and there’s no character overhaul that’s going to change that, despite your feigned outrage at my remarks.

        “doesn’t make him more or less in-touch than anybody else.”

        Perhaps! But I’ve never heard Obama say the following: “During dinner events we introduce humor.”

  3. Cookie Gate, huh? I take it then that if only Mitt would’ve said he enjoyed the cookies, we would have dropped to 6% unemployment, $2.00 gas, and would have reduced trillions from the federal deficit. But he didn’t like the cookies, so there go those dreams. Thank you media for focusing on REAL issues.

    • Character counts. Character is the issue! The Real issue. When the American people overlook character in their presidents, we get the Iran-Contra affair, Watergate, rendition, as well as spying on Americans, and the torture of prisoners.

      We don’t have 6% unemployment because of the unholy alliance between congress and special interest (a major character issue). We have a growing federal deficit in part because of two wars we didn’t pay for (borrowed from China and others), tax breaks we didn’t pay for, among other government outlays that weren’t paid for, such as tax subsidies that went to Big Oil and others, a Medicare Prescription Drug Modernization Act that wasn’t paid for. (Character issues all.)

      Two dollar gas is a Republican wet dream, and will continue to be so, unless we stop the rampant speculating that’s occurring. And even that’s no guarantee, as it’s world markets that determine the price of crude oil. Our crude oil production is the highest it’s been in years, higher than under George W. Bush, and for the first time in decades we’re exporting more oil than we’re importing.

      We all know the issues facing the country, whether the media focus every minute discussing them or not. We all know what’s at stake during the next national election, a Republican-based agenda, or a Democratic-based agenda.

      We know, too, that Republicans are at war with almost every position that Obama has taken, even if it was their position originally, dedicated more to Obama’s defeat this year than returning the country to prosperity.

      We already know where each party stands on the major issues facing this country. Talking about them ad nauseam is not going to make Republican stances more palatable to Democrats, or Democratic stances more palatable to Republicans.

      I don’t care that Willard is a Mormon. What I do care about is whether he follows the tenets of his religious beliefs, and that a professed Christian follows his or her beliefs, chief among them, not lying.

      I didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008 for lying to the American people. I won’t vote for Willard for the same reason, and a hundred more. And I wouldn’t have voted for Jons Huntsman for the same reason. He lies.

      • Hey Introspection,
        “When the American people overlook character in their presidents, we get the Iran-Contra affair, Watergate, rendition, as well as spying on Americans, and the torture of prisoners.”
        Now we have Fast and Furious, Detention of AMERICANS suspected of terrorism without trial or Habeas Corpus http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantanamo-detention-obama and you don’t have to worry about trials for suspected foreign terrorists since we just blow them up along with their families using drones.
        “Two dollar gas is a Republican wet dream”
        Then it’s a dream I had only 4 years ago.
        You don’t care that Mitt’s a Morman, but you conveniently bring it up unprompted. Nice.

  4. Oh boy. Willard manages to do it again. Open mouth,insert foot. Now, I’ve never been to that part of Pennsylvania, let alone ever sampling those cookies. But you’re missing an important point here, Andre: a presidential candidate made comments directly insulting people. He just insulted hard-working people in bakeries and conveniece stores in one single comment. Introspection is 100% correct. This man is out of touch in the worst possible way and at the worst possible time.

  5. Well, when you consider that robots are generally programmed to think everything tastes the same, you can understand why Romney thought those cookies came from 7-Eleven.

  6. Hey Dre,
    To quote one of my favorite writers, “eat the damn cookie, smile, and give a thumbs up.” This illustrates the pettiness against the right our MSM is famous for, why not go after his “Right to Work” stance instead? I’m a moderate and that’s the one that gives me pause about voting for Mitt, not the phony War on Women or his eating habits.

    • “not the phony War on Women”

      If you don’t see a “war on women” being waged by the Right, you’re either a right-wing ideologue, inattentive, or a man.

      The Tea Party wasn’t installed in office for very long before attempting to redefine rape and incest.

      http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/republican-plan-redefine-rape-abortion

      In addition, we’ve seen calls to end funding for Planned Parenthood at both the federal and state levels, personhood bills introduced, and a mandate imposed for either a transadominal or transvaginal ultrasound before an abortion can go forward, a woman’s Constitutional right.

      If this isn’t a war on women, then we don’t need the U.N.

      • “you’re either a right-wing ideologue, inattentive, or a man.”
        More left wing name calling. Can’t I just have a difference of opinion? I don’t call ending funding for an oganization like Planned Parenthood, that kills mostly minorities (three times as many blacks as whites by percentage) and poor people a “War on Women”. I also don’t think that abortion pans out well for women. (half of abortions are female BTW) It does bode well for men though, who don’t have to pay child support on dead babies. Your link to motherjones is nothing more than an interpetation by one of the farthest left leaning organizations out there. Should I respond with a quote by Glen Beck?

  7. Anonymous :“you’re either a right-wing ideologue, inattentive, or a man.”More left wing name calling. Can’t I just have a difference of opinion? I don’t call ending funding for an oganization like Planned Parenthood, that kills mostly minorities (three times as many blacks as whites by percentage) and poor people a “War on Women”. I also don’t think that abortion pans out well for women. (half of abortions are female BTW) It does bode well for men though, who don’t have to pay child support on dead babies. Your link to motherjones is nothing more than an interpetation by one of the farthest left leaning organizations out there. Should I respond with a quote by Glen Beck?

    Oh, by the way, there’s a war on the poor, as well, undocumented workers, organized labor, birth control, to name a few.

    Planned Parenthood provides health-care services for women other than abortions which account for 3% of their total services. It’s still legal, you know? And is as Constitutional as carrying guns, which also kill mostly minorities “by percentage.”

    Shall we outlaw guns and the NRA, as well as abortion and Planned Parenthood?

    The problem that women present for you (You sound like a man. Man up and use a handle!), contraception, abortion, child support, can go away in a New York second: Keep your male member in your pants!

    If Glenn Beck’s your man, and your source, use him! After all, you sound like you’re on the Right fringe to me.

    • Perhaps it’s just me, a staunch, old school Democrat, but, it seems this plays right into my hands. Let him and every other Republican make a fool of themselves at every turn. I sincerely love it when the GOP is made to look like fools. Makes my team, Team Democrat look that much better. V.

      • Your starr is shining bright to night, now that the GOP Go-to Guy has lost some of his luster. Imagine Willard making a fuss over cookies he didn’t even try, but spit out before tasting with several stupid comments.

    • Hey Introspection,
      I have no problem with abortion being legal, in fact, I’m pro-choice due to the SCOTUS precedents and the fact that I think there should be a wall of separation between my government and my body. However, I would be very happy if far less women “chose” to kill their babies and then spent the rest of their lives carrying the guilt. I don’t want guns or abortion outlawed-that’s called consistancy of logic and values. I think we can agree we should regulate both to some degree. Please explain to me why you use the term “undocumented” instead of “illegal”. Can I break into your house and then claim I’m an “undocumented” family member? Is it Ok as long as I’m trying to improve my standard of living or if you already have a member of my family living with you? Even if they broke in too? Planned Parenthood does spend most of their time on other issues as you correctly stated (nice Dem talking point) however you neglect to say that abortion is where they make their money! It’s mighty profitable killing poor people and minorities it turns out. Especially when the government kicks in some money for doing it. If this was a Republican idea it would be deemed Black Genocide. If you took all the black people that were aborted since 1973 and brought them back to life in the year 2000, Al Gore would have been President instead of “W”. Yes, I am a man and I couldn’t help but notice you make it seem like a flaw in character. I can have a opinion on issues like abortion despite my penis, these children had fathers too you know. Usually, my handle comes up automatically on Andre’s site, I don’t know why it didn’t-it’s there now. I can’t use Glenn Beck and still respect myself, he’s as crazy an ideologue as the folks down at Motherjones. Which is why I don’t, and won’t.

      • “Please explain to me why you use the term “undocumented” instead of “illegal”. Can I break into your house and then claim I’m an “undocumented” family member?”

        Who are the “illegals”? Who broke into whose house? Europeans sailed the ocean blue and took this country by force, broke into the “houses” of many, and now believe they’re the only ones with the right to do so, because they declared it “illegal.”

        You don’t see the irony? Probably not!

        “Is it Ok as long as I’m trying to improve my standard of living or if you already have a member of my family living with you? Even if they broke in too?”

        Europeans used the same excuse too–“trying to improve [their] standard of living”–at different times in this nation’s history. They, too, brought here to these shores whole villages of their relatives. Where’s your outrage regarding this “break-in”?

        There won’t be any, or it will be lukewarm, because, after all, look at what these Europeans have wrought, the grand nation they built–although they built it in large part on slave labor, and the decimation of large numbers of the indigenous people.

        “however you neglect to say that abortion is where they make their money! It’s mighty profitable killing poor people and minorities it turns out.”

        Now we’re back to square one: Gun manufacturers make their money on guns, the NRA supports gun manufacturers. Poor people and minorities are often the victims of gun shootings. “It’s mighty profitable killing poor people and minorities it turns out.”

        Now if we could bring back all the minorities and blacks that were killed with the use of a gun….

        Genocide can take many forms,.

        As it stands, both gun ownership and abortion are
        Constitutionally-protected provisions. Show your patriotism by supporting both, not in theory, but in practice.

        “Especially when the government kicks in some money for doing it.”

        We both know that government money for Planned Parenthood is not used for abortions (It’s against the law.), but is used to provide women access to mammograms, and other health-related reproductive care.

        “Yes, I am a man and I couldn’t’t help but notice you make it seem like a flaw in character.”

        You see what you want to see. Is there a “flaw” in your character? What we need are more responsible men when it comes to satisfying their libido. Men who take on the responsibility of contraception, the fewer the abortions, and unwanted pregnancies.

        How many of these men are threatening pregnant women to have abortions, and are refusing to wear contraception because it diminishes their pleasure?

        Men are the problem, but we have made women the problem.

        We’re living In a male-centric nation. Men have abdicated their responsibility, if women are seeking out abortions for the seeds men have planted. The way I see it: Pregnancy has become a woman’s problem, rather than a man’s problem.

        “I can have a opinion on issues like abortion despite my penis.”

        Your “penis” is the problem, and millions more like it.

        Yet your penis, like your opinion, won’t get you pregnant, won’t put you in the position of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, won’t get you raped, and you won’t be told in effect, “Yes, rape is horrible, but it’s a gift of life, and you should just make the best of it.”

        Who said that? Rick Santorum.

  8. thehc :.”Now we have Fast and Furious, Detention of AMERICANS suspected of terrorism without trial or Habeas Corpus and you don’t have to worry about trials for suspected foreign terrorists since we just blow them up along with their families using drones.“Two dollar gas is a Republican wet dream”Then it’s a dream I had only 4 years ago.You don’t care that Mitt’s a Morman, but you conveniently bring it up unprompted. Nice.

    You need to read more carefully. I reiterate: “I don’t care that Willard is a Mormon. What I do care about is whether he follows the tenets of his religious beliefs.”

    Not unprompted, the author of this piece did reference religion, “Obama’s religion.” He opened the door, I merely made it bi-partisan.

    That Romney lies unabashedly, and with verve, should concern all Americans, despite the religion to which he belongs. But those who voted for him did so knowing that he’s a serial liar. What does that say about them?

    And I spoke out about it. Did you!–the National Defense Authorization Act–this bi-partisan piece of excrement designed to keep Americans safe from terrorists. it appears that our government is now the terrorist. Who’s going to protect us from it.

    Drones are perhaps more humane (more targeted) than the carpet bombing we’ve seen in the past. This nation has been embroiled in two wars, wars that made others rich while impoverishing us (the American tax payer)–economically and morally.

    This country is morally bankrupt, as evidenced by its religious leaders, and its unwillingness to protest against the insanity of waging wars–as we’ve done–on two fronts, only recently ending the second of the two.

    Four years ago isn’t two years ago, or three years ago. Gas prices dipped to below $2.00 for a short period, a few months, at the height of our recession, with a corresponding slump in demand worldwide. Do you really want to see that kind of oil-price reduction again? http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

  9. Hey Introspection,
    Is there any crime of the present that you won’t justify with the crimes of the past? If your philosophy of “one crime justifies the other” was followed by everyone, we would be a nation of criminals. At the time of our “breaking in” of this nation, great stretches of this land were unsettled by anyone, those that were occupied were often captured and reclaimed by the very same indigenous people you claim we invaded. Take a look at some Native American history books and you’ll see the Nations expanding and contracting through invasion and war. It also wasn’t only the blue-eyed European white devils you seem to want to selectively blame for everything that invaded the U.S., it was also Spaniards, French, etc. who’s relatives still live in New Mexico and New Orleans. One of my best friends, Lloyd Leek, is pure 100% Apache, one the most aggressive tribes. He is a relative of Geronimo who fought against Mexico and the U.S.. We talk quite a bit about the “advocates” for his culture who are either ¼ Native American or not Native American at all and “defend” his culture from pious pews in Universities. He’s told me more than once that they should stick to defending their own culture and leave theirs to those who live it, not study it. Were the Native American nation’s borders exactly the same for all their history? No. Did they invaded each other regularly? Yes. Did they defend their territories as we should defend ours? Yes, they did. Did we invent conquering in the Americas? No, we didn’t. Are we guilty of it as is almost every group at some point in history? Yes, it’s the way nearly every country in the world was formed As with most people of a Liberal bent, your view of history is very selective as it suits you.
    Gun manufacturers do make money on producing something that has functions other than killing. It is used for sporting events, home protection, law enforcement and hunting. Like nuclear weapons, it also has a deterrent factor. Does abortion? It is also unfortunately used by minorities and others to kill each other, overwhelmingly they are the same color. The manufacturers and the NRA go out of their way to enforce keeping guns away from criminals with education, trigger locks, gun safes and by advocating for responsible use. For as long as I can remember they have been pushing for harsh penalties for people caught with illegal guns, always opposed by the Democrats. Once again, as is true with most true-believer Liberals, you have confused illegal with legal. The minorities that are killing themselves are using nearly all illegal guns. I can prove that if you would like. If you truly want to stop the killing, support harsh penalties for possession of illegal guns. I’m guessing you won’t because you don’t want more minorities in jail (I would release a lot of them that are in on drug charges to make room if it were up to me). But you certainly will express outrage when some child gets killed at her bus stop during a shoot-out. Ask youself this simple question; if the guns are the problem, why are a very disproportionate amount of the murders in any major city committed in a small fraction of it? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=102607615245382081956.000495586b172a1fc8154&ll=43.038093,-83.693762&spn=0.036699,0.079994&source=embed I have 5 hunting guns in my house as do most of my neighbors and yet it’s rarely a problem. As for me, I support the NRA as a member and I have repeatedly supported keeping abortion legal here and with you. No hypocrisy for me.
    Now, since I began having conversations with you, you have trashed my gender, my culture and my ethnicity while I have done none of the same to you. You have pigeon-holed me, assumed things about me that were not true, associated me by proxy and laid the blame for most the world’s problems at my feet. Have you ever considered that you may be guilty of bigotry? I’ve seen a lot of it in and it usually takes the form you use. Stereotyping, categorizing, fear-mongering and hate-mongering. Mine is not the first group to be singled out for blame. My people (Bohemian Gypsies) were murdered by the Nazis for reducing the genetic pool (we were seen as inferior), as were the Jews. We were singled out by people who saw a group to hate and to blame- not mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters. Blacks have suffered this as have gays, women, and many others. Now you want to do it? Do you really believe you’re the first to justify it by the past? Every form of bigotry is founded in the dehumanizing of the group, the destruction of the concept of individual responsibility in favor of collective responsibility and the exampling of the group’s worst actors. You have some really bad company here, is that where you want to be? Is this really what you want to preach? One more thing, why would I care what Rick Santorum has to say? I don’t support him and never have. Once again you have made a leap based on your assumptions.

  10. “Is there any crime of the present that you won’t justify with the crimes of the past?”

    I don’t justify anything! I’m saying this: Don’t condemn acts in the present that were deemed acceptable in the past.

    “At the time of our “breaking in” of this nation, great stretches of this land were unsettled by anyone.”

    Your argument begs the question and changes nothing. White Europeans were the interlopers. At the time of the invasion we weren’t a “nation,” but a natural and expected slip, given your proprietary claim of the land that you implied whites had a right to settle because it was sparsely populated.

    “It also wasn’t only the blue-eyed European white devils you seem to want to selectively blame for everything that invaded the U.S., it was also Spaniards, French, etc.”

    You’re better than this! I didn’t reference “blue-eyed European[s],” nor did I refer to anyone as “white devils.” You did that!

    I used the term “European,” as it has often been used to refer to the groups you identified, from the Early modern period through the 18th and 19th centuries. There was no need for greater specificity.

    “Did they defend their territories as we should defend ours?”

    You still don’t get it! You have no “territories.” You took land that didn’t belong to you, and now you’re are using a notion of conquest to justify hegemony, and the harsh treatment of undocumented workers.

    In this as in all things: The first shall be last.

    “As with most people of a Liberal bent, your view of history is very selective as it suits you.”

    You don’t know my “bent.” Were you to–really, and truly–this conversation would end abruptly, and you’d be thoroughly ashamed. That said, blame the other guy for your shortcoming. If you’re the one using history selectively, blame him for it, a ploy that’s used in politics and on blogs. But it’s the worse type of argument. It’s polemically bereft of actual grist.

    Treat “undocumented workers” anyway you choose. Justify it anyway you choose. In the end, the scales of justice will have the last word, and that judgment will be beyond your reach.

    “Once again, as is true with most true-believer Liberals, you have confused illegal with legal.”

    I’m not a liberal, and neither am I what you refer to as a “true-believer,” whatever that mean. That said, it won’t matter to Trayvon Martin whether he was killed with a legal or a illegal gun. And further, guns aren’t made by illegal gun manufactures, or legal gun manufacturers, so that they can be identified as such.

    Gun manufacturers make guns. Guns are used to kill, or are kept at the ready to kill. That they may be used for target practice doesn’t modify their chief uses.

    “I have 5 hunting guns in my house as do most of my neighbors and yet it’s rarely a problem.”

    Hunting is a sure indication that we haven’t evolved much as a species. That you and your neighbors indulge in this act, is further proof that the madness will continue for a time and a time.

    “Now, since I began having conversations with you, you have trashed my gender, my culture and my ethnicity while I have done none of the same to you.”

    Nice try. But that’s a lie.

    “You have pigeon-holed me, assumed things about me that were not true, associated me by proxy and laid the blame for most the world’s problems at my feet.”

    That, too, is a lie.

    “Have you ever considered that you may be guilty of bigotry?”

    No. Have you?

    “Stereotyping, categorizing, fear-mongering and hate-mongering. Mine is not the first group to be singled out for blame.”

    Another lie.

    “Now you want to do it? Do you really believe you’re the first to justify it by the past? Every form of bigotry is founded in the dehumanizing of the group, the destruction of the concept of individual responsibility in favor of collective responsibility and the exampling of the group’s worst actors.”

    More lies.

    “One more thing, why would I care what Rick Santorum has to say? I don’t support him and never have. Once again you have made a leap based on your assumptions.”

    I made no such leap. You have a wild imagination, and indulge in some self-revealing imaginings. .

    This will be our last conversation. You have impeached yourself. Any further discussion would subject you to your lies, and I wouldn’t want that to happen.

  11. Hey Introspection,
    I’m sorry the conversation went sour, I had no malice. Those were not all “lies”, some were opinions, some are facts. I’ll let other readers be the judges.

    My question; “Have you ever considered that you may be guilty of bigotry?”

    Your answer; No. Have you?

    Yes, every single day. I ask myself if I’m treating my fellow humans fairly. If I allow my prejudices to taint my opinions. If I’m stereotyping people. If I would feel the same if “the script was flipped.” If I’m truly understanding the life someone else had to live, from their view as well as mine. I’ll never be able to exercise all my demons, but I do try. Every single day. The fact that you believe it’s not even worth considering, unfortunately, says a lot.

    Good luck, I’ll leave you to your own devices.

  12. Men and their pissing contests. Relax boys, no need to compare penis sizes.

    • Lol Miss KD, I’m fine, mine’s safely tucked away where it should be.

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