42 comments on “My thoughts on the Trayvon Martin story

  1. I really hate to burst the racial bubble on this but the attack was not racially motivated. Zimmerman would have shot and killed anyone that night no matter what their skin color was. Zimmerman and his wife had been having marital issues for a while now. She had recently moved out and was living with her mother. Zimmerman was doing everything in his power to talk her into taking him back and moving back into their home. On the day of the shooting he (Zimmerman) loaded the couples two dogs (I believe they are German Shepherds) into his SUV and went to talk to his wife. She refused to listen to him and went as far as to tell him bringing the dogs to use them as a way to try to win her back wasn’t going to happen. I’m sure he was pretty damn upset (as anyone would be). This is when he went home and the attack happened. He was out looking for somebody to take his anger out on and Trayvon was the first person he had seen. The only reason I know this bit of info and the media does not is because Zimmerman and I share a mutual friend.

    My thoughts and feelings on this. It PISSES me off! It shouldn’t matter what the color of his skin was.. he was a CHILD!! It shouldn’t matter that Zimmerman is hispanic.. he’s an ADULT! Violence, especially when it turns deadly should piss everyone off.. I don’t care if it’s black on black, white on white, latino on latino or any other mix. We should be more outraged that people have forgotten how to treat other members of the human race with respect!!

    I hate to say this.. but.. you are right! Had Zimmerman been black the country would not give a hoot. If it was a latino boy he shot, the country wouldn’t care either. It’s time we all wake up and start looking past the color of a persons skin and judge them based on their own actions not the actions of a certain group!!

    • Jen, I can’t speak to what was going on inside Zimmerman’s head during the shooting, but I sincerely doubt that if he confronted a white kid wearing an argyle sweater vest the results would somehow be the same. He convinced himself there were certainly pathologies associated with young, black, youth and confronted Martin in that spirit. Maybe the shooting was exacerbated by some of the personal matters Zimmerman dealt with earlier, but how many of us go around shooting people when we’ve had a bad day?

    • I am a canadian and I have watched the travon case from the beginning and I truly feel sorry for travon family all they wanted was justice for their son. I have to sons of my own and am happy to say that they can walk down the street without fear of being shot. The justice system really has to look at this as a wrong that has to be made right.Yes there are two sides to the story but travons never got told, all people say is travon was a thug dope smoker but to me he was problably scared that someone was following him and what do they want. In a circumstance like that I would defend myself too. Zimmerman was told not to get out of the car and that is where the justice should of started not at the fight, what brought on the fight if zimmerman had stayed in his car travon would be with his family now. It seems to me that the neighbourhood watch program needs some addressing why would you have these people checking their neighbourhoods with guns to me that is just asking for trouble. I think people need to sign a petition from all over the world saying change in the justice system needs to be change.

    • Josh, are you seriously implying that I wouldn’t (don’t) have the same level of outrage over this? Have you actually READ this post? Have you not noticed how I offered a stinging indictment of other black people?

      Just in case you missed all this, please read this post again.

    • “So I wonder if the “outrage” will be reciprocated when a white kid is the victim:”

      You can’t receive what you don’t give. Where’s YOUR outrage in this instance? Reciprocity is a two-way street.

  2. “All that being said, if Mr. Zimmerman been black, would we see the same outpouring of anger and emotion? Not likely.”

    If Zimmerman had been white and the victim white, “would we see the same outpouring of anger and emotion,” and would YOU be blogging about it? Not likely.

    • I would be just as outraged no matter what the color of either person involved was!! Any type of violence deserves the same amount of outpouring of anger and emotion!! The only way this society is going to move past any type of racial barriers is when we start looking past the color of the persons skin, the clothing on their back or social status. We are all human and all deserve the same level of respect and justice!!

      • I didn’t know the race of either one when I first heard about this terrible situation and I was livid Zimmerman had not been arrested. It is painfully clear that if Zimmerman had kept his behind (regardless of the color) in his car like he was told by the 911 operator, then this killing never would have happened. I do not care what races are involved in what tradgedies. If someone is killing a minor, regardless of race they need to spend some time in jail for the travesty they caused.

  3. It’s an election year. Look for the Dems and the Left Stream Media to break out story after story about racial discrimination, sexism, school shootings, class warfare, and anything else they can use to distract people away from the real problem…..our looming debt and eventual economic collapse. All my sympathies to the family, but this crap happens every day. Over the last month 5 kids were shot in Detroit alone. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/13/12-year-old-bystander-shot-during-altercation-following-car-accident/ Unfortunately, everyone was the same color, so no story. The press is scouring the countryside hoping to create more division and diversion. If you really care about the poor and disadvantaged, demand a balanced budget (not baseline budgeting) before they are eating dog food like the people of the ex-Soviet Union in the early 1990’s. Please People, pick up a history book on the Soviet Empire before it’s too late. I don’t want to spend the rest of my days listening to everyone blaming each other. P.S. You CAN NOT tax your way out of this. 5% tax hike on the richest 1/4 of us creates approx. $100 billion. (1/14th our deficit) Doubling their taxes would destroy our economy even IF you could collect it- which you can’t. Wake up, do the math.

    • “It’s an election year. Look for the Dems…”

      You hijacked the thread. Give it a rest!

      • Sorry Introspective,
        I didn’t mean to hijack the thread. I have a hard time playing the fiddle while Rome burns.

      • Thanks Mike,
        At least I do consider the other side before I spout off and start name calling.

    • HipCon, I won’t say you’re being wingnut-ish by expressing concerns about the economy. But I will say that concerns about social issues can take place without it being at the expense of fiscal concerns. There’s plenty of bad news to stretch across storylines.

      • Hey Dre,
        I’m so used to being called names that it doesn’t much effect me any more. It is the vestige of people without good points or arguments. I guess when I was promoting President Obama in 2008 I must have had right-wingnut ulterior motives in some people’s minds. Your absolutely correct that “concerns about social issues can take place without it being at the expense of fiscal concerns.” But I do believe that things like this work very well at moving the discussion away from things the establishment doesn’t want to talk about.

  4. “this is a perfect opportunity for us to once again examine the disastrous affects of the thug culture so many of our young people embrace. This, in my opinion, indirectly led to Trayvon Martin being killed.”

    You’re way off base here. You’re suggesting that a “thug culture” is partly responsible for Trayvon’s death, rather than a racist “thug” eager to bag himself a young black buck.

    This is tantamount to saying that our porno culture, and the provocative way women dress, indirectly contribute to women being raped.

    Rapists rape. And racists thugs kill.

  5. This story screams of racism. What exactly did Trayvon do that was considered even remotely suspicious? Was he running hysterically? Was he hopping fences? The poor young man had skittles and ice tea in his possesion. That hardly counts as life threatening.

    • “What exactly did Trayvon do that was considered even remotely suspicious?”

      He did nothing that should have ended his life. Like many of us, our only crime is that we’re living while black. That, alone, can get you killed in this society.

  6. Racism, tribalism, gangs, bigotry. Many forms but all variations of the same and virtually for all of us, even the most liberal and egalitarian, our world view is colored by some form of “us versus them” mentality. We want to belong which by inference means we want others not to belong and as a result be shunned or vilified. I think that is why a white on white or a black on black crime is not given as much attention as one between races. If we were to be truly non-racist, our response should be to mourn every death and condemn every killing without caring about the race of either killer or victim.

  7. It sounds like an over zealous “Watchmen” more so than a racist shooting to me. I mean, just exactly how rampant could crime really be inside a gated community?

    • If that’s your conclusion, then you haven’t listened carefully to the 9-1-1 tapes.

  8. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying from the Stand Your Ground law being vague to how we turn a blind eye to black on black crime. To honest I don’t think much will happen to Zimmerman and if he goes to trail he may get acquitted. There are so many things wrong with the way things played out that day and that’s the real issue not Zimmerman or Trayvon but the lack of witnesses. I’ve been in those kinds of areas before and anyone who knows the feelings knows there a lot of eyes on you when you’re in those area. So people know how it played out and for whatever reason aren’t speaking up, well from what I know, I may be wrong about that. Still that’s the bigger issue to me how the neighborhood watch in that area seem to have only one watchman.

    • “There are so many things wrong with the way things played out that day and that’s the real issue not Zimmerman or Trayvon but the lack of witnesses.”

      No witnesses? For a time, Trayvon was in a phone conversation with his girlfriend, to whom he discussed what transpired as it happened. People heard Trayvon cries for help, which some are trying to attribute to Zimmerman. Some of those witnesses were turned away by the police because their version didn’t coincide with the shooter, Zimmerman.

      And don’t forget the 9-1-1 tapes, the discussion between Zimmerman and the 9-1-1 operator/dispatcher. All are witnesses.

      • “Some of those witnesses were turned away by the police because their version didn’t coincide with the shooter, Zimmerman”

        Yeah I’m heard abut that. That was really my point that someone had to see it. Something like that happens and know one looks out the window? That was my fist question when I saw this story on another blog,. That Stand Your Ground law is flawed anyway. There are cases coming up all over the place now because of the death of Martin.

    • Can you imagine how differently the events would have played out if somebody would have had the courage to go outside and stand up for another human instead of just making a phone call?? Maybe it’s the mother in me but when I hear a child screaming for help I go running towards them not to my phone!! I wouldn’t be peeking out of my blinds but offering assistance. Just think about how many thefts, rapes, murders ect. could be avoided if we stood up for what was right instead of turning a blind eye…:/

      • So true, that is an entirely whole other issue about that day. It’s funny so far from what I’m hearing that point isn’t brought up/ Someone should have done something before it came to a teen being shot to death.

  9. Questions; Why are there so many references in these comments to white people? Zimmerman was Hispanic, not white. Why is this such a viral case in the media when I can point out far more innocent (not that Trayvon wasn’t innocent too) young black males killed in just the past month here in Michigan? Several below the age of 10. Why not them? Why did it start out in the press that he was a white male before they discovered he was Hispanic? (This is a common ‘mistake” lately in the press) Is that because his name was Zimmerman, a common Jewish name? (For instance, Bob Dylan, a Jew, changed his name from Robert Zimmerman) Why do they now refer to him as a “light-skinned” Hispanic? Is that some ‘close enough to white’ reference? Just askin’ For the record: I believe that anyone who shoots anyone should be arrested until we’re sure it was self-defense.

  10. “Why do they now refer to him as a “light-skinned” Hispanic? Is that some ‘close enough to white’ reference?”

    It’s the same logic that Republicans use, when they refer to Obama alternately as Christian or Muslim, whichever designation advances their agenda.

    it’s the same logic that Republicans used to say that Obama has a “deep-seated hatred for white people,” although he was raised by his maternal white grandparents. By the same logic, Zimmerman, reportedly raised by white German Jews, has a “deep-seated hatred” for blacks.

    As to referring to Hispanics as “white,” that’s an honest mistake, as many Hispanics are now referring to themselves as such:

    “What’s white in America in 1910, 2010 or even 2011 simply isn’t the same,” said Robert Lang, sociology professor at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, citing the many different groups of European immigrants in the early 20th century who later became known collectively as white. He notes today that could mean a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant in upstate New York or Jews and Italians in the lowest East side of Manhattan.

    “Predicting a similar shift for Hispanics, Lang and others noted that mixed marriages are now more common between whites and Hispanics. U.S.-born Latino children of immigrants also are more likely than their parents to identify as white. “The definition of white has always been expansive,” he said. “I could see the census in 2030 or 2040 dropping the differentiation between Hispanics and whites. […]

    “The share of Hispanics identifying themselves as white increased over the past decade from 48 percent to 53 percent, while the proportion of those who marked “some other race” dropped from 42 percent to 37 percent. Many Hispanics previously preferred to check the “some other race” category to express their nationalities — such as Mexican or Cuban.”
    http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/7966579-418/more-hispanics-listed-themselves-as-white-on-us-census.html

  11. Hey Introspection,
    “As to referring to Hispanics as “white,” that’s an honest mistake, as many Hispanics are now referring to themselves as such”
    Are you seriously saying that Hispanics view themselves and whites as the same? I worked for the Spanish Speaking Center here in Flint and I also have several close Hispanic friends. I can tell you they will be shocked. Perhaps they haven’t read Mr. Langs work and are unaware that they can be re-identified by academia. You do make one real good point though, I’ve noticed myself that the definition of white has changed over the years. Different ethnic groups, like Jews, are regularly throw in and out of the “white” group as it suits the publishers of “peer reviewed” social literature. I’m not as sure as you are that this is all an honest mistake. There have been several examples of people that were performing terrorist acts lately (such as the New York car bomber and the Flint Slasher) being identified as white before it was discovered that they weren’t. i guess we’re now the default setting until it’s proven it’s not us. As far as justifying bad press with bad republicans; I’m not in the business of excusing either side. If you rape my daughter so I rape yours, we’re both still rapists. It’s still wrong, it’s just a way of vindicating yourself form your own bad actions

  12. “Are you seriously saying that Hispanics view themselves and whites as the same?”

    I’m saying nothing of the sort. Did you read the article? “The share of Hispanics identifying themselves as white increased over the past decade from 48 percent to 53 percent, while the proportion of those who marked “some other race” dropped from 42 percent to 37 percent.”

    “I’m not as sure as you are that this is all an honest mistake.”

    You didn’t get my sarcasm? It was said tongue in cheek.

    “i guess we’re now the default setting until it’s proven it’s not us.”

    Given your checkered history, you have earned the “default setting.”

    “I’m not in the business of excusing either side.”

    Then stop supporting a mandate, under the guise of informing women, for transabdominal and transvaginal ultrasounds before women can avail themselves of their legal right to abortions.

    It’s hard for Republicans to make the case that they stand for “freedom” when they call for the forcible insertion of an instrument into a woman’s vagina before she can exercise her freedom, and right, to avoid pregnancy.

  13. …..our looming debt and eventual economic collapse.

    With all the right-wing emphasis on contraception, defunding Planned Parenthood, and redefining rape–are you saying that these aren’t the pressing issues of the day?

    If you don’t like the fiddler’s tune, stop dancing to it.

    • Hey Introspection,
      With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?
      “Given your checkered history, you have earned the “default setting”
      While I am white, my family is Bohemian Gypsies, the second most murdered group of people by the Nazis. My dad’s family arrived here in the U.S. in the late 1940’s. Now, before you go into your systemic advantage speech, let me inform you of my wonderful life as a Bohemian in America. My dad grew up in the Slovic guetto here in Flint, dirt poor. He belonged to a street gang and stole to eat. He left my mom and me when I was 10. My mom worked as a dry cleaner presser for minumum wage. We didn’t own a car for that whole first year. I walked to Emerson Jr. High, a 90% black school where I was beaten for my preceived crimes by narrow thinking people who pass judgement on whole races. I left my home at 16 and was homeless for 6 months. I was drug addicted until I was 18. I slept in my car and in shelters. You don’t even know me but your so quick to pass judgement on me. Then you go off on me like I support this “mandate” and other republican supported agendas when I said nothing of the sort. I’m a registered Democrat and supported and voted for President Obama. If you question any of this, ask Andre. He knows me personally. Again, you judge me and pidgeon-hole me without any supporting evidence. I pray your never on a jury if I’m accused of a crime. In your eyes I’m already guilty by virtue of the color of my skin. I know what tune I’m dancing to….do you?

  14. “Then you go off on me like I support this “mandate” and other republican supported agendas when I said nothing of the sort.”

    These aren’t your words?

    “How is mandating an ultra-sound before a surgery wrong? If this came out of the left it would be a women’s health safety issue and would be mandated in Obamacare. Also, if we can demand that women get contraceptives for free from the government, how long will it be before they demand that they take it? Can government mandated sterization be far behind that?”

    These aren’t your words?

    “While I am white….” “i guess we’re now the default setting until it’s proven it’s not us.”

    You lumped yourself in with all whites. You indited yourself. I merely accepted your self-definition. Thus, the sins of your race befalls you, just as they befall me, and befell Trayvon Martin, I’m told, whose only crime is that he was living white black, wore a hoodie, and was “indirectly” the victim of a black “thug culture,” and stereotyping.

    Collectively and individually, whites are responsible for some god-awful violence against people of color.

    “Now, before you go into your systemic advantage speech, let me inform you of my wonderful life as a Bohemian in America.”

    While I find your personal story compelling, we all have compelling personal stories that shape who we are, and contribute to our daily perceptions, actions, and behaviors.

    What I’m NOT going to do is subject you to my “systemic [dis]advantage speech, [by informing] you of my [not so] wonderful life as a [Colored, Negro, Afro-American, black, African American] in [white] America.”

    “You don’t even know me but your so quick to pass judgement on me.”

    I “passed judgment on you”? Did I call you a monster, evil, mentally twisted, certain to burn in hell for all eternity?

    “In your eyes I’m already guilty by virtue of the color of my skin. I know what tune I’m dancing to….do you?”

    You’re little heavy on the grandiosity, don’t you think, that and the hyperbole. I don’t care about the color of your skin, but the color of your heart. I don’t care about your individual race, but whether you’re a member of the human race.

    Finally, dance to whatever tune you choose, but know this, the fiddler doesn’t take requests.

    • Hey introspection,
      “How is mandating an ultra-sound before a surgery wrong? If this came out of the left it would be a women’s health safety issue and would be mandated in Obamacare. Also, if we can demand that women get contraceptives for free from the government, how long will it be before they demand that they take it? Can government mandated sterization be far behind that?”

      Yeah, those are my words. Absolutely. Apparently your not understanding the difference between supporting something and asking questions to induce thought. Questions are followed by a question mark.

      “You lumped yourself in with all whites. You indited yourself. I merely accepted your self-definition. Thus, the sins of your race befalls you, just as they befall me, and befell Trayvon Martin, I’m told, whose only crime is that he was living white black, wore a hoodie, and was “indirectly” the victim of a black “thug culture,” and stereotyping.”

      I am not “all whites” and I don’t represent all whites nor do I view you as representing all blacks-that’s your domain. Perhaps you should take your beef with what happened to Trayvon up with Hispanics anyway. I wouldn’t, because, again, I look at individuals not races.

      “What I’m NOT going to do is subject you to my “systemic [dis]advantage speech, [by informing] you of my [not so] wonderful life as a [Colored, Negro, Afro-American, black, African American] in [white] America.”

      I would never think of assuming anything about you since I don’t know you.

      I “passed judgment on you”? Did I call you a monster, evil, mentally twisted, certain to burn in hell for all eternity?

      No, you didn’t call me all those things (though I wonder about your choice of things you didn’t call me). Actually, I give you a lot of credit for having a civil intelligent discussion instead of resorting to the name calling that is so prevalent on the web. However, statements like;
      “Thus, the sins of your race befalls you” Is clearly an indictment of me by proxy and therefore a judgement. Add to that your assertion that I’m a Republican and support their agenda and that’s explains why I feel your passing judgement on me.

      Look, I’ve enjoyed the discussion, but it comes down to philosophy. I don’t judge people by their representive group…you do. I was once much like you. When I got out of Emerson I harbored a lot of hatred towards black people for what some of them had done to me. Systemically, the Administration of the school encouraged violence against me and that’s hard to forget. At some point I realized that those people held me accountable for the sins of my race and if I held all of them accountable for how I was treated, I validated their philosophy. Lots of brave black people stood up for me when it was hard for them to do so. As a lot of good white people have stood up for blacks in history. To judge them all as the same people is a crime against their efforts in my eyes. I don’t know how to demand that I’m not judged by my race and at the same time judge others by theirs and not feel hypocritical. At some point your going to have to decide which way the character of people should be judged and how you want to be seen. As a collective or as an individual. This shifting back and forth as it fits your argument makes it hard to see you as consistant. However, good luck and I will say I enjoyed the discussion and you seem like a very bright person. I’ll let you have the last word.

  15. Has anybody been following what the assclowns on Faux News have been saying? Those losers amaze me.

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