22 comments on “Andrew Breitbart (1969-2012)

  1. “I hope that liberals don’t get so celebratory over this man’s death that they turn into the same cold, callous, and disrespectful people they claim conservatives are.”

    You say, “claim” to be. Conservatives aren’t “cold, callous, and disrespectful”?

    For one:

    Blunt Amendment Vote: [Republican] Contraception Measure Fails In Senate

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/blunt-amendment-vote-fails-senate-contraception_n_1313287.html

    For two:

    For three, ad infinitum.

  2. Wassup BD?

    Yes, you gave some great examples of the very worst to be found in conservatives. But I guess my whole thing is: those kind of sentiments are usually expressed by folks on the fringe. I suspect most people are closer to moderates with perhaps a left or right leaning tendency. But the clowns making headlines and making the most noise – I suspect – don’t represent the population. In fact, I think that if you factor the fringe elements on both sides, you’ll find the greater distribution of people lying somewhere in the middle.

  3. “But I guess my whole thing is: those kind of sentiments are usually expressed by folks on the fringe.”

    I wish it were so, that’s it’s the fringy folk that find this extremism palatable. But for a few in the Senate, the Blunt-Rubio amendment would now be the law of the land.

    This is at the federal level. At the state level the right-wing frenzy to take over a woman’s body (mandating an ultrasound if she elects to abort), and to come between a woman and her doctor have reached a new high, a throw-back to the fifties, and beyond.

    “In fact, I think that if you factor the fringe elements on both sides, you’ll find the greater distribution of people lying somewhere in the middle.”

    I know of no fringe element on the left that approaches that of the Tea Party, and other right-wing activists–no, not even the Occupy Movement and the 99 Percenters.

    Our political leaders, be they liberal or conservative, are moving more to the right, and not to the center, as one would expect–suggesting that the nation’s electorate, for whom they seek to appeal, have moved to the right. This turn to the right is more prevalent among conservatives generally than liberals.

    Olympia Snowe says that the right is becoming too crazy even for her, and she won’t run again in 2012.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10533091-olympia-snowe-wont-seek-re-election-in-2012

    Consider the following from MSNBC’s the Rachel Maddow show, and get back to me:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#46581797

    “I hope that liberals don’t get so celebratory over this man’s death that they turn into the same….”

    Admittedly, I haven’t scoured every liberal blog and neither have I listened to every liberal radio cast, or watched every liberal television show, but I haven’t found that which you feared. Instead I found this:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc_tv-the_last_word/

    Overall, I find liberals to be classier than conservatives.

    • “But for a few in the Senate, the Blunt-Rubio amendment would now be the law of the land.”

      Of course, it would require the president’s signature for that to happen, but it does point out the extreme extent Republicans are willing to go to interfere with a woman’s reproductive health care, and health care in general.

      No one is stopping (or trying to stop) health insurers from dispensing Viagra to give men more reproductive ammunition, but when it comes to women, conservatives around the country are balking at bulletproofing women against the assault.

      I say foul!

    • Black Diaspora, if this was Facebook, you’d totally get a “LIKE”!

    • Hey Black Diaspora,
      Usually you make some good points, but I think today your shooting from the hip.

      For example;
      “At the state level the right-wing frenzy to take over a woman’s body (mandating an ultrasound if she elects to abort), and to come between a woman and her doctor have reached a new high, a throw-back to the fifties, and beyond.”
      How is mandating an ultra-sound before a surgery wrong? If this came out of the left it would be a women’s health safety issue and would be mandated in Obamacare. Also, if we can demand that women get contraceptives for free from the government, how long will it be before they demand that they take it? Can government mandated sterization be far behind that? Keep government out of your sex life and off your body and you’ll be far ahead in the end. P.S. It was only 1973 when Roe vs. Wade gave women the right to kill their fetus. Something they’ll regret the rest of their lives. BTW. I’m pro-choice only because I agree with keeping the government off my body. Today they can demand saliva, hair, blood, dna, just by suspicion of a crime with no accusation or charges filed. Tomorrow it could be a kidney, like China.

      “I know of no fringe element on the left that approaches that of the Tea Party, and other right-wing activists”
      Really? Have you never seen the antics of PETA? Here’s a few;
      http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-insane-peta-publicity-stunts.php

      “Olympia Snowe says that the right is becoming too crazy even for her, and she won’t run again in 2012.”

      Every article I could find from an even remotely reliable source says she left due to partisonship….ON BOTH SIDES!

      • thehc,

        What exactly do you want? Would you prefer that people just keep having babies they don’t want or can’t afford? Or are you just like all the other loons on the right who want to keep women from having sex until they’re married?

        Nobody is asking for contraceptive to be covered just so they can keep having sex. There are all sorts of the medical benefits from contraceptives. Plus, like I said, they curb the possibility of ill-preparedly having a child…which could lead to abortion.

  4. Well I’m not shedding any tears for this clown. Civility, be damned. When I think about all the misery he put Ms. Sherrod through…a lady who devoted her life to fairness and civil rights? Let’s not get on how he and people like him have railed against the President. To hell with him and all the other wingnuts on the right.

    • “How is mandating an ultra-sound before a surgery wrong?”

      I didn’t call it wrong. I said it interfered with the relationship between women and their doctors, the only ones who have a right–according to their doctors’ professional judgment, and not that of the state–to ask for whatever procedures they deem necessary to carryout their elected assignment.

      We both know that the ultrasound procedure mandate is designed to discourage women from going forward with an abortion. To insist that it’s for another reason–to provide the woman with more information, for example, information that she didn’t ask for–is disingenuous and an insult to hers and our intelligence.

      “Also, if we can demand that women get contraceptives for free from the government, how long will it be before they demand that they take it?”

      This is called a “slippery slope argument.” This kind of argument is usually applied when all other arguments have failed.That a woman is provided contraception as an integral part of her reproductive healthcare doesn’t mean that she’s required to use it. That’s the mandate–that’s she has access to it. And unless the woman is disabled, or is receiving Medicare or Medicaid, the employer, rather than the government, will pay for the contraception.

      “Can government mandated sterization be far behind that?”

      Slippery slope, again. Don’t you have faith and confidence in our Constitution? What a picture of an autocratic government you present!

      “Keep government out of your sex life and off your body and you’ll be far ahead in the end.”

      Then we’re advocating for the same thing: The government shouldn’t mandate unnecessary medical procedures to advance a religious position that abortion is a sin and an evil, especially when a woman is within her legal right to do so.

      I hate to break it to you, but abortions aren’t against the law!

      “Really? Have you never seen the antics of PETA? Here’s a few;”

      Give me a break! How many politicians have PETA sponsored? How many politicians are running on a PETA platform? How many billionaires are backing PETA candidates for congress and the White House?

      “Every article I could find from an even remotely reliable source says she left due to partisonship….ON BOTH SIDES!”

      She said, too, an “atmosphere of polarization,” not that both sides are contributing to it, as you state:

      “I do find it frustrating, however, that an atmosphere of polarization and ‘my way or the highway’ ideologies has become pervasive in campaigns and in our governing institutions.”

      What she’s really saying is the following:

      Did you read the word “campaigns”? Snowe knows full well–as do you–that for her to run for another term she will have to face a Tea-Party candidate, or a candidate presumably more conservative than she is, that moderates like her are no longer welcomed in the Republican party; they no longer have a place and a home–suggesting further that the art of “political compromise” is long dead, that obstructionism, and ideological rigidity, and recalcitrance are the new political reality.

      Doesn’t this sound to you like the Republican party and the Tea Party faction of the party? Sure it does! Don’t deny it!

      Snowe is signalling that she’s not up to that kind of fight, as TeaPublicans are dead set on retiring her, and bringing in a candidate that’s leaning farther to the Right than is she.

      • Hey B.D.
        “Just because I think everyone’s out to get me doesn’t mean no one is.”
        This is my response to your assertion that I’m using a “slippery slope argument”.
        You can’t just dismiss a likehood by saying I’m using a slippery slope argument. Certainly I am, but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Liberty and Freedom are taken in small pieces, surely you don’t think we should be apathetic when it comes to something you, as a black man, should hold dear.
        Now for clarity, let’s separate the contraceptive issue from the utrasound issue.
        On the ultrasound issue; this came out of Virginia in it’s most recent form, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/28/va-senate-passes-ultrasound-measure/ and as far as I can tell, no one is making anyone look at their ultrasound, it’s just a choice they want available. Once again, this is for the safety of the women, and the clinics themselves admit that since they already do it in the vast majority (over 90%) of the procedures. http://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ultrasoundstudy.pdf
        It’s just a choice, to help women get the knowledge they need to make an informed decision. It’s the clinics that want to hide information, paid for by the client or the government, from the women.
        Now, the contraceptive issue; It seems to me the press is trying hard to make this about availability of contraceptives and avoid the issue of separation of church and state. I can’t say that I blame them. It’s hard to cling to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment at the same time that your trashing the Exercise Clause. Law is based on precident, and so far, the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of autonomy for churches.
        Now, on Oympia;
        Maine is overwhelmingly Democrat!! Nearly ALL OF THEM. http://www.maine.gov/legis/housedems/representatives/index.html
        I repect your views B.D., but if you believe a Tea Party Candidate could be elected in Maine, your disconnected from reality, with all due respect. On why she’s leaving, I went by her Washington post op-ed. I guess you can read into it what you want. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/olympia-snowe-why-im-leaving-the-senate/2012/03/01/gIQApGYZlR_story.html

      • Here’s how Maine voted in 2008. Not exactly conservative Tea Party turf. http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?f=0&fips=23&year=2008 The Reps did turn over the Legislature in 2010, but on Moderates, not Tea partiers. I wasn’t aware they recaptured the legislature in 2010, so I apologize for saying they were “nearly all” dems. I was going by memory and the fact that I know Maine is considered a very blue state. Even I make mistakes.🙂

  5. The man left a legacy of character assassination and truth distortion, leaving innocent people left in his path to suffer. Too bad that clown didn’t do a deathbed confession and conversion like Lee Atwater. Good riddance to him.

    • “It’s just a choice, to help women get the knowledge they need to make an informed decision.”

      No, it’s a mandate pure and simple, and shame on the state and Republicans for forcing a woman to endure a medically unnecessary procedure as their way to make women reconsider an abortion, catering to the will of the church who can’t make their case otherwise.

      “Certainly I am, but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”

      The problem with slippery slope arguments is that you can raise concerns ad infinitum whether they’re rooted in reality or not. As a society, we would be able to justify any action, or inaction, simply by raising issues and concerns that might apply regardless of the merits of the concerns.

      This is not the way to govern.

      “Liberty and Freedom are taken in small pieces, surely you don’t think we should be apathetic when it comes to something you, as a black man, should hold dear.”

      Why me? Aren’t “Liberty and Freedom” something that all men “should hold dear”?

      “Once again, this is for the safety of the women.”

      In that case, let the doctor prescribe the procedure. Why is the state legislature intruding on a doctor’s professional prerogative? Surely, they don’t all hold medical degrees, and even if they did, wouldn’t it be better for the attending medical professional to make that call, rather than motive-driven legislators?

      “It seems to me the press is trying hard to make this about availability of contraceptives and avoid the issue of separation of church and state.”

      We have more to fear from the church, than the church has to fear from us. Didn’t I hear somewhere that the Mormon church helped bankroll the passage of Proposition 8 in California some years back?

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/10/now-the-mormon.html

      “so far, the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of autonomy for churches.”

      Autonomous or not, the church is not exempt from adherence to the law of the land, although the church has often been guilty of covering up the crimes of some church leaders, Catholic priests in particular.

      “but if you believe a Tea Party Candidate could be elected in Maine,”

      It’s not a matter of being elected, it’s a matter of running in such a race, where Snowe will be attacked for her moderate stance on many issues and forced to defend her moderate voting record. I believe that I said, too, that she may have to face, not only a Tea Party Republican, but a “candidate presumably more conservative than she is.”

      The Republican party seems almost rabid in its attacks on supposed RINOs these days, and that may be one of the reasons why Snowe singled out “an atmosphere of polarization and ‘my way or the highway’ ideologies [that have] become pervasive in campaigns.”

      Certainly, she’s not concerned about a Democratic opponent (since such an “atmosphere” would help seal her reelection), as she would an opponent from her own party, creating the “atmosphere” that she finds “frustrating.”

      I read Sen. Snowes rationale for leaving office without seeking reelection, and the following stood out:

      “I do not believe that, in the near term, the Senate can correct itself from within. It is by nature a political entity and, therefore, there must be a benefit to working across the aisle.”

      The filibuster has been used to stymie those processes inherent in the senate, such as the review of presidential appointees:

      “This is not a new problem, but it has gotten intolerably worse and is now threatening to paralyze government, as Republicans use the filibuster to try to kill off agencies they do not like. The number of unfilled judicial seats is nearing a historic high.”
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opinion/sunday/filibustering-nominees-must-end.html?_r=1

      As long as the filibuster can be relied upon to gum up the works and obstruct progress on a bill, there won’t be any “working across the aisle,” as Democrats will use the tactics that Republicans are now using to foil any legislation that they present when they’re in control again of the senate.

      Party politics are served but not the American people.

      And I agree with Snowe when she says, “I do not believe that, in the near term, the Senate can correct itself from within.”

    • Hey mike,
      I think we’re all concerned for Whitney’s daughter, and well we should be. Bobby Brown is abusive. As far as the comments on FOX’s site; Mike, it’s the damn internet. 40 people disliked me yesterday for commenting on MSNBC, “Let’s stop the name calling a have a rational conversation.” I watched Fox news (I know, that makes me a homophobic, sexist, racist, blah, blah blah.)after Whitney’s death and they were applauding the open displays of christianity at her funeral. I didn’t hear one negative comment directed at her, only Bobby Brown. BTW, why is it you always attach some slanderous moniker (like hate monger) to anyone you disagree with? Are you that insecure about your opinions that you feel the need to make sure that anyone that agrees with your target will be agreeing with a “hate monger”? You seem smarter than that. It diminishes your point when you use playground tactics.

  6. He was born in 1969. He looked like he was born in 1949. Just saying…

    I hope he’s resting peacefully, given all the havoc and harm he caused in life.

    • “after Whitney’s death and they were applauding the open displays of christianity at her funeral.”

      Tell me you’re exaggerating!

      Whitney was a Christian, was raised in a Christian church, and performed often with a Christian choir.

      That her funeral–which took place in a Christian church, the church of her youth–would openly display its Christianity is not something that should have been applauded, it’s something that should have been expected. That the displaying of Christianity in a Christian church garnered attention at all–which it shouldn’t have–is in itself remarkable, and so in keeping with Fox News’ slant on all things black.

      Would you applaud the sun for its sunlight?

      • Hey B.D.,
        Not exaggerating at all. First, I like your comment, “Would you applaud the sun for its sunlight?” As you may have noticed, I love quotes. May I use that one?
        To the point; Conservatives believe that popular culture would like Christianity to be put into the closet where they once put homosexuality. In their eyes, people like Tim Tebow, or Jeremy Lin are persecuted, or at the very least, put down for their open displays. So when they saw Whitney’s funeral, yes, they applauded it wholeheartedly. I don’t think it was because they were suprised that Whitney was a practicing Christian. I also didn’t get the impression that it had anything to do with race, but being white, I may have not been sensitive enough to that.

  7. Goodbye and good riddance, I say. The man has done nothing but lie, promote bigotry, and spread hatred during his adult life. He was probably a hell spawn when he was a kid too. But I’ll leave that one up to the people who knew him.

    I feel bad for his family, whom I’m assuming aren’t as batshit as he was. Dying in your 40’s is bad, no matter who you are. But will I shed any tears for the man? No way, Jose!

  8. “As you may have noticed, I love quotes. May I use that one?”

    As long as you give it proper assignation. Just kidding. On using the quote, knock yourself out.

    “Conservatives believe that popular culture would like Christianity to be put into the closet where they once put homosexuality.”

    Frankly, I see no nexus here: Whitney was given a Christian burial. It wasn’t an ostentatious show of Christianity, or a display of false piety.

    It was funeral.

    I can’t speak for “popular culture,” as I haven’t heard these complaints of Tim Teabow and others that you reference, but how anyone can draw a connection between a funeral for a black celebrity–one who was provided a Christian burial, and all attendant rites–and those who openly display their religious faith, is beyond me.

    Whitney’s funeral shouldn’t have been used to make a statement about a presumed “cultural” distaste for public displays of religious practices.

    It was a funeral.

    Would Fox have used the death of a Christian president, or the Pope, or Lady Diana, Princess of Wales, or any other world notable who happened to be Christian, to make the same point–“that popular culture would like Christianity to be put into the closet”?

    They would have been, and were, given a Christian funeral, with all the Christian pomp and ceremony that goes with it–an open display of Christianity–and Fox would have covered the funeral respectfully, without using the occasion to make a point about how some in society supposedly attack those who “display” their Christianity.

    It would have been a funeral, that and nothing else.

    • Hey B.D.,
      I can’t disagree with you there. It’s sad that politicians use funerals to grandstand. How many funerals have attracted the likes of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? How often do they then use the occassion, not to celebrate the life of the deceased, but to push their own agenda? Also, it’s not only funerals they exploit. What a sad sight it has been watching the Gabby Gifford saga being used, or James Brady. It seems politicians are all over any sad event to promote their ideaology. I didn’t understand your outrage initially, but if you don’t like the media and politicians using personal misery for political gain, you have a defender in me. I’m not using the “They do it, so it’s ok for me.” excuse either. Both sides should stop the disrespect for the dead and injured, but I doubt they ever will.

      “Would you hear the words of the prophets if they were blown, on flutes made of murdered children’s bones?”

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